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Dear Vladimir,

I completely agree with the Europeana approach.

I think that "famous" duality is a sophistication well fit to confuse the users.

Of course my mental contruct (i.e. concept) which I refer as "Paris" (which includes Sena and that tower, what's its name... :-) and which 
sure has many points in common with your mental construct you name "Paris"... is not really the place we agree to call "Paris". However, in 
a retrieval system (mainly in a LD one) this distinction is harmful.

But if you can offer me juicy use-cases of this distinction, I'll change my mind (and buy you a beer :-).

Dan

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Dan Matei
director, Direcția Patrimoniu Cultural Mobil, Imaterial și Digital [Movable, Intangible and Digital Heritage Department]
Institutul Național al Patrimoniului [National Heritage Institute], București [Bucharest, Romania]
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tel. 0725 253 222, (+4)021 317 90 72; fax (+4)021 317 90 64


-----Original Message-----
From: Valentine Charles <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 08:44:38 +0000
Subject: Re: Get ULAN and TGN Linked Data identifiers in Europeana

> Hello Vladimir, 
> 
> The objective of Europeana is to fetch multilingual labels from the ULAN identifier. The tool that allows us to dereference the URIs will
> only work with URI of the first type http://vocab.getty.edu/ulan/500126471. 
> We will therefore recommend our data providers to use those. 
> 
> 
> Best, 
> Valentine 
> ________________________________________
> From: Discussion list for Europeana Technical Developments [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Vladimir Alexiev
> [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 05 June 2015 10:00
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Get ULAN and TGN Linked Data identifiers in Europeana
> 
> Hi Valentine and Thom!
> 
> http://vocab.getty.edu/ulan/500126471 is a skos:Concept: appropriate to be
> used in VIAF as the Getty concept URL
> http://vocab.getty.edu/ulan/500126471-agent is a schema:Agent: appropriate
> to be used
> 
> CH collections should refer to TGN and ULAN entities
> using tgn:{m}-place, ulan:{m}-agent
> and not merely tgn:{m}, ulan:{m}
> See http://vocab.getty.edu/doc/#Using_GVP_URLs
> 
> The reason is http://vocab.getty.edu/doc/#Concept_vs_Thing_Duality
> 
> Cheers! Vladimir