Another example of data without title (in the ordinary meaning of title). In most (almost all) manuscript collections a manuscript is identified by its shelfmark and are without title. eg 'Hon. III. ann. XI. ep. 367' a copy book entry in the Vatican about a letter from pope Honorious III to the archbishop of Nidaros in Nov. 4th 1226. Most medieval manuscripts do not have a title. Neither do private letters in correspondence archives. They are usually identified by sender, receiver and date.
As Martin points out, 99,9 % of museum objects do not have a title.
However, if one by title accept the inventory number or the five first words of the object description, then of course all objects have a title. But tihsi is a little like Cinderella's sister's method to make the foot fit in the glass shoe.
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>Subject: Re: "Lossless" EDM - erring towards data quality
>>> I have to say that Europeana's main problem is not really the deliberate
>reduction of data, it is that the data is just not present. How about sending
>thousands of items with the same non-informative title (like 'picture')?
>> That's another side of the same medal: Many things have very few data,
>few things have many data.
>>> I am quite sympathetic to your stance of making no property
>recommended, but I still believe the value of an aggregator is also to try and
>offer to data re-users access to a data ecosystem that has some minimum
>> Sure! How do we know in which scope such coherence exists? What is the
>> size of the ecosystem(s) ?;-)
>A trick point indeed, as ou know the sort of scale we're talking about ;-) I'd
>say that a minimum scenario would be able to find the object by one
>relatively simple way (a decent combination of who what where when
>criteria). I have seen some items that are really not findable at all. Very
>interesting objects, but there's just not enough description.
>>> and there are many cases that do require basic metadata, like title or
>subject. Actually if you have an example of application that happily mixes
>title-less objects with objects with titles, please send it, I am curious!
>> All archaeological collections: Some famous statues have titles, most have
>not. The titles are relatively irrelevant, the find-spot/site, approximate(!)
>date and excavation event being the most important thing.
>Yes, I know that such data exist. My question was about the sort of
>application that could exploit them (e.g., a portal for general audience or
>researchers) and mixed with data that has different profiles. I can imagine
>fairly well that statues without titles won't be an issue in a system where
>archaeologists would search based on the place, the time and the type of
>objects (and even then , what if the type is missing?)
>>> On 7/31/14 11:00 AM, martin wrote:
>>>> Dear Antoine,
>>>> I believe we have to put an end to the idea that metadata at the
>>>> aggregator level are supposed to have a completeness to be
>>>> functional. With the CRM we are taking strictly the position that NO
>property is recommended. ONLY in a particular environment/application
>completeness makes any sense.
>>>> For primary evidence (museum objects etc.), the completeness is
>restricted to what is known.
>>>> For application, completeness is a research program, and again not a data
>>>> Particular communities should develop concepts of what are relevant
>>>> data in their domain, not Europeana. The current catastrophy of
>>>> Europeana is that data are deliberately reduced by providers to fit central
>recommendations, which cannot differentiate adequately.
>>>> Relevance cannot be expressed in terms of properties. It is a question of
>>>> Librarians are a particular domain. They typically (but not always)
>>>> have "minimal data" about all objects, which do not make any sense for
>archaeology for example.
>>>> I think this is an educational question for the user communities,
>>>> otherwise Europeana will hardly steer free of this mess ;-) . Who
>>>> will start the education? Who will make the theory to be taught?:-(